Comments on: Sitting on the fence - Why I sometimes choose not to use Plone in favour of Drupal or Wordpress http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/ my blog, mostly covering the technical side of web design Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:22:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: Shigeo Honda http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13997 Sat, 09 May 2009 06:11:34 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13997 Good article. I agree with your opinion. I quoted your point of view in my Japansese blog post. http://www.shigeo.net/Computing/090509-not-always-plone Good article. I agree with your opinion.
I quoted your point of view in my Japansese blog post.
http://www.shigeo.net/Computing/090509-not-always-plone

]]> by: Michael Ang http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13996 Sat, 09 May 2009 03:12:33 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13996 Fully agree, I use Django and CherryPy for simpler sites as my staffs will be still in Python environment. Switching different languages between projects can be counter-productive. Fully agree, I use Django and CherryPy for simpler sites as my staffs will be still in Python environment. Switching different languages between projects can be counter-productive.

]]> by: Rick Hurst http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13995 Fri, 08 May 2009 16:18:04 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13995 @Martin I guess the point I thought might be controversial is the bit about "getting into difficulties" with a plone site, by which I mean either a situation where a site stops altogether working one day (e.g. because of a problem with a corrupted ZODB or something like that), and you can't get it back online without external help or a project becomes stale because a developer leaves and you can't find anyone to replace them. I know this could potentially put people off using it. @Martin I guess the point I thought might be controversial is the bit about “getting into difficulties” with a plone site, by which I mean either a situation where a site stops altogether working one day (e.g. because of a problem with a corrupted ZODB or something like that), and you can’t get it back online without external help or a project becomes stale because a developer leaves and you can’t find anyone to replace them. I know this could potentially put people off using it.

]]> by: Martin Aspeli http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13994 Fri, 08 May 2009 15:36:49 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13994 Why do you think Plone evangelists would be upset by this? I think most of them would (or at least, should) agree whole-heartedly with this analysis. In my opinion, Plone doesn't even compete with Wordpress and barely so with Drupal. As you said, - "overkill for simple sites". Martin Why do you think Plone evangelists would be upset by this? I think most of them would (or at least, should) agree whole-heartedly with this analysis. In my opinion, Plone doesn’t even compete with Wordpress and barely so with Drupal. As you said, - “overkill for simple sites”.

Martin

]]> by: Jon Stahl http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13993 Fri, 08 May 2009 15:12:18 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13993 Great, thoughtful, piece, Rick. If all you want is a few static pages and a blog, Plone is indeed overkill. The good news is that I think you'll see the learning curve getting smoother over the next year as we simplify the content types, theming and page layout stories. I think this will put a lot more power into the hands of folks like me who haven't mastered all of Plone's innards. The Plone community has learned a lot from both its successes and its mistakes over the past 8+ years, and we have a lot of great innovation in the pipeline. Great, thoughtful, piece, Rick. If all you want is a few static pages and a blog, Plone is indeed overkill. The good news is that I think you’ll see the learning curve getting smoother over the next year as we simplify the content types, theming and page layout stories. I think this will put a lot more power into the hands of folks like me who haven’t mastered all of Plone’s innards.

The Plone community has learned a lot from both its successes and its mistakes over the past 8+ years, and we have a lot of great innovation in the pipeline.

]]> by: Rick http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13992 Fri, 08 May 2009 13:57:45 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13992 @Anthony yes, it doesn't make a lot of sense to span php and python/zope/plone, unless like me you pick up different types of work from different clients and knowing both is quite useful. I guess Grok http://grok.zope.org/ would be a sensible choice in your situation because it keeps things python/zope 3 @Anthony yes, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to span php and python/zope/plone, unless like me you pick up different types of work from different clients and knowing both is quite useful. I guess Grok http://grok.zope.org/ would be a sensible choice in your situation because it keeps things python/zope 3

]]> by: Anthony Bosio http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13991 Fri, 08 May 2009 13:50:16 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13991 Great summary of everything I have been through since deciding on Plone at my day job about a year ago. I don't think even the most fervent Plone fan would advocate using Plone for everything. (Though I am sure there are people skilled enough to customize it to point will work for anything.) Our major problem has been what to use when Plone IS overkill. We are a 3-person team and also learning Python at the same time. We are a little hesitant to take up another new framework (like Django) but at the same time it doesn't seem to make sense to have some stuff on PHP and some stuff on Python. (And 1 of our team members would have to learn both.) Great summary of everything I have been through since deciding on Plone at my day job about a year ago.

I don’t think even the most fervent Plone fan would advocate using Plone for everything. (Though I am sure there are people skilled enough to customize it to point will work for anything.)

Our major problem has been what to use when Plone IS overkill. We are a 3-person team and also learning Python at the same time. We are a little hesitant to take up another new framework (like Django) but at the same time it doesn’t seem to make sense to have some stuff on PHP and some stuff on Python. (And 1 of our team members would have to learn both.)

]]> by: Rose Pruyne http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13990 Fri, 08 May 2009 13:36:19 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13990 I agree, right on down the line. And if you have not already, you should consider blogging about how you're using Plone as a DMS. I agree, right on down the line. And if you have not already, you should consider blogging about how you’re using Plone as a DMS.

]]> by: Gomez http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13989 Fri, 08 May 2009 12:06:43 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13989 True words.. I use plone for my intranet/dms, too. Maybe u can share your concepts/ideas or how u use it and for what..would be cool. Greets Gomez True words..

I use plone for my intranet/dms, too. Maybe u can share your concepts/ideas or how u use it and for what..would be cool.

Greets
Gomez

]]> by: Kai Diefenbach http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13988 Fri, 08 May 2009 11:20:57 +0000 http://www.rickhurst.co.uk/2009/05/08/sitting-on-the-fence-why-i-sometimes-choose-not-to-use-plone-in-favour-of-drupal-or-wordpress/#comment-13988 This is a nice write up. Sounds completely reasonable to me. Kai (a Plone developer) This is a nice write up. Sounds completely reasonable to me.

Kai (a Plone developer)

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